Re: Alternate Minecraft Roleplay Themes

by **JorgasElite** Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:03 pm

@Aegonian: The world should be evenly spaced for each faction, so that the Pyrorks aren't forced into a corner and the Erokki aren't everywhere. Equal opportunity, that's what I say.

We should have MinecraftMMO plugin on the server. It allows you to have skills in different types of trade, like specializing fighting with axes or excavating terrain. It's a very good plugin, you should try it out!

by **kingnecromancer** Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:34 pm

Aegonian wrote:I'll be working on the actual map in WorldPainter soon, but there's one more thing we need to decide on before I can start: the size of the world. It must obviously be big enough for each race to have enough place to build their cities, but if we make it too big, interactions between the races will be rare. Any suggestions for the size?

I like your idea, Thunderpants! I found a plug-in that seems to do just that:
http://dev.bukkit.org/server-mods/customdrops/

I think that the world to map ratio should be 100:1.
So for every pixel, 100 blocks? Or is that too big?

EDIT: I guess that is too big. maybe 10:1?

by **thunderpants** Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:22 pm

Hmm lemme think, that map is 512 by 512.

Now a good city is what? 200*200 300x300?

We need 6 Big Cities with a decent gap between them?

So how about
1 pixel = ((DistanceBetweenCitiesInCities+1)*SizeOfCity*NumberOfCities)/SizeOfMapblocks
So
1 Pixel = ((2(?)+1)*250*6)/512 blocks
1 Pixel = 8.7890625 blocks
1 Pixel = 9 blocks.

May as well make it easier.

1 Pixel = 10*10 blocks
So what Necro said.

Aeg good find with the Custom Drops, but could we make it so that certain races got extra/different drops. For example Pyrorks could find Netherrack, where as the The Aettir get extra bones.

Also could we have a legitimate way to make netherbrick? I know there was a plugin called nBricks.

And I've added more lore to the Pyrorks.

Lastly have we decided on a texture pack? I'm still liking the Eldpack for it's low resolution awesome.

by **JorgasElite** Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:24 pm

I really don't like the Eldpack, it looks too cartoony. The pixels are too big, and they hurt my eyes. I reccomend dokucraft, it's much better.

by **Sataz** Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:02 pm

JorgasElite wrote:I really don't like the Eldpack, it looks too cartoony. The pixels are too big, and they hurt my eyes. I reccomend dokucraft, it's much better.

U don't wanna go for a texture pack too realistic, it's still minecraft you know, even if the tp is realistic, it's still just blocks

by **JorgasElite** Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:29 pm

I honestly don't like the way of Eldpack, it's way too simplistic. And I'm not going for realistic, I'm going for RPG looking. Trust me, you can make really cool stuff with Doku.

by **thunderpants** Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:07 pm

JorgasElite wrote:I honestly don't like the way of Eldpack, it's way too simplistic. And I'm not going for realistic, I'm going for RPG looking. Trust me, you can make really cool stuff with Doku.

I was suggesting Eld as it would be easier to modify and suitable for even lower-end machines, but I'll be happy so long as we have 1 unified pack so everything looks nice for everyone!

by **Denedd** Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:46 pm

I agree with Jorgas. Dokucraft Dark? I think that ones the best.

by **JorgasElite** Fri Dec 28, 2012 1:07 pm

I think that one of us should take the time to make a customized Dokucraft. Because the presets are not often the best. But if we need to make it easy so we can get a bunch of people, do that then.

by **thunderpants** Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:09 pm

JorgasElite wrote:I think that one of us should take the time to make a customized Dokucraft. Because the presets are not often the best. But if we need to make it easy so we can get a bunch of people, do that then.

My only requests are

Cobblestone looks rugged not bricky
Stone looks nice with Cobblestone
Obsidian is natural not bricky

by **JorgasElite** Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:50 pm

That's normally what I choose. It's only common sense that cobble should actually look like cobble when you have stone bricks.

by **thunderpants** Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:12 pm

JorgasElite wrote:That's normally what I choose. It's only common sense that cobble should actually look like cobble when you have stone bricks.

I was more think about the Pyrork builds... That and make cobblestone paths actually viable.

by **kingnecromancer** Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:39 pm

I don't really care what the tex.pack is, as long as it looks nice I am fine.

by **thunderpants** Fri Dec 28, 2012 3:58 pm

How about this?

http://www.mediafire.com/?5exoscb62v9r41v

Made via the Dokucraft Customiser mabob!

Also are we going to use HD skins?

by **kingnecromancer** Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:33 pm

Hd skins? I can't even make those.

by **JorgasElite** Fri Dec 28, 2012 5:10 pm

I don't know how to make HD skins, but it would be cool to have the leaders have them.
Also, I'm having trouble uploading my skin to the MNCS website, where can I upload it here?

EDIT: Texture pack looks fine Thunder, but you put the wrong creative mode GUI on. And why is the dirt and gravel red?

by **thunderpants** Fri Dec 28, 2012 6:52 pm

JorgasElite wrote:I don't know how to make HD skins, but it would be cool to have the leaders have them.
Also, I'm having trouble uploading my skin to the MNCS website, where can I upload it here?

EDIT: Texture pack looks fine Thunder, but you put the wrong creative mode GUI on. And why is the dirt and gravel red?

I'll make a template for my race and I'll happily Hd-ify yours. You simply use a mod, which lets you see there skin from a custom database.

I don't know why I made stuff Red. I just must of picked the nicest looking one. Also I just picked any GUI.

by **Aegonian** Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:10 pm

Do HD skins work, actually? Last time I tried (which was quite a while back though), there was no good way to do HD skins in SMP. I can make HD skins though, so if they do work, that'd be awesome!

I think the texture pack looks nice, but I've never liked Doku's stone and grass. The standard stone looks too much like cobblestone, and cobblestone looks too much like bricks. The grass also looks a bit weird, in my opinion. My favorite texture pack is probably a mixture between Doku and John Smith.

by **kingnecromancer** Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:59 pm

I have been doing some testing, and if we must conduct a democratic vote, I would go for eldpack, it just looks a lot better.

I feel the textures feel a lot more lively then dokucraft, much more homely, and I think that comforting feeling might attract more players.

EDIT: I did a little test of the texture packs and took a screenshot of a desert npc town:
EldPack:

Spoiler:

and
dokucraft:

Spoiler:

by **thunderpants** Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:09 pm

Aegonian wrote:Do HD skins work, actually? Last time I tried (which was quite a while back though), there was no good way to do HD skins in SMP. I can make HD skins though, so if they do work, that'd be awesome!

http://www.hdminecraftskins.com/e107/news.php

That

by **JorgasElite** Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:41 am

Comparison:
Eld:

Spoiler:

Doku Light:

Spoiler:

This room was not made with either texture pack.

I personally think that Dokucraft is more professional, and offers much more than Eldpack.

by **kingnecromancer** Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:18 am

I don't know jorgas, Dokucraft just isn't hitting the artsy part of my brain hard enough.

by **Sataz** Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:33 am

I like eld more in Necro's comparison, but doku in Jorgas' comparison :S

by **thunderpants** Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:13 pm

I honesty don't mind. Maybe we should just use a Johnsmith/Doku/Whatever Combo.

However should create a list of what sort of generic requests we want?

Stone - Smooth
Cobble - Cobbley
Obsidian - Rough
Potion - Beer?
A biome so grass is grey/black
The plugin DrugMeUp so that we can assign potion affects to generic potions, allowing for the potion spawner (pub) to be easier, and not generating free glass bottles.
A source of Chainmail armour (Even if it's a drop from zombie pigmen, zombies and skeletons wearing it).
Make silverfish blocks a common "ore" so that mining is a bit more dangerous.
Make Nethermobs spawn near bedrock?
Make Nether materials spawn as ores near bedrock?
Add a layer of Obsidian around y = 20, below which are the nether mobs/ores and lava.
Make Endstone an ore? So it's like marble?
Make Ice an ore?
Make the conventional ores rarer.
The previously mention stone changes.

by **Aegonian** Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:44 pm

I'll download the Eldpack, John Smith and perhaps a couple of other texture packs to make some comparison shots.

EDIT: Some comparison shots. I took two environments (forest/snowy plain and cave) and five texture packs.

Outdoor (Forest, Jungle and Snowy Plain)

Spoiler:

Cave

Spoiler:

EDIT 2:
Some of the things I really want from our Texture Pack:
- Better explosion (Default doesn't look like an explosion. Dokucraft has a great explosion texture!)
- TNT => Gunpowder box (Both Doku and NorseCraft have these)

I think we should allow TNT usage in the server, but there should be a couple of restrictions. For example, TNT usage in Towns should not be possible, and maybe we should only allow TNT usage below a certain layer (useful for mining).

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